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#1032   2007-07-30 18:19 GMT+1 hour      
Sem môžete písať svoje postrehy a názory k hradu.

Ak je otvorená špeciálna diskusia k nejakému problému - téme, svoje príspevky píšte k danému problému do vytvorenej diskusie. Aby nevznikol zbytočný chaos.

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#1033   2007-07-30 18:28 GMT+1 hour      
to BibraX
tak som to sice namyslel ale budiz. ako member mozem zakladat aj sam. ja len ci suhlasis s takou mierne rozporuplnou lokalitou ako je sobotka. ono je sobotka povazovana totiz za pevnost(pretoze v 16. storoci sa hrady vrj uz nestavali) alebo pevnostku(pretoze ju orig. postavali jiskrovci). takze tak.
zakladna otazka teda je
co si teda mslite co je sobotka. hrad, hradok, pevnost, pevnostka...

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#1034   2007-07-30 21:36 GMT+1 hour      
to vazne neprejavi nikto zaujem o najsevernejsu opevnenu lokalitu MADE BY OTOMANS?
smutne. ok. tak teda moj nazor:
napriek vseobecnej predstave, ze v 16. storoci sa uz hrady nestavali, pokladam sobotku za hrad.
ked uz na (turecku a teda kulturne inu)stavbu aplikujeme nasu terminologiu tak aspon (podla mna)spravnu.
takze najprv trocha terminologie
zoberme si teda co je hrad(basic):stredoveka opevnena lokalita so sidelnou, administrativnou a vojenskou funkciou. tieto vsetky funkcie su v pripade hradu v (relativnej) rovnovahe, co znamena ze na hrade je zabezpecena dostatocna ochrana, obytne piestory splnaju (nejake)standardy, a z hradu je zabezpecena sprava nejakeho podriadeneho uzemia. akonahle je tato "rovnovaha" porusena, treba hovorit skor o napr. straznych hradoch, pevnostiach(prevazuje vojenska unkcia), kastieloch, kuriach(prevazuje sidelna funkcia)...
tolko na zaciatok.
pristi pokracovani:turecka sprava

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#1036   2007-07-31 12:56 GMT+1 hour      
Pre Sobôtku by asi rovnako sedel hrad aj pevnosť. Ja osobne by som sa priklanal skor k tej pevnosti, aj ked slovo pevnost evokuje nieco mohutne s bastionmi a hlavne mladsi typ opevnenia, mladsi ako 15.storočie. Na druhej strane zas to ako presne vyzeral tzv. Jiskrov hrad mozno len hadat. Jedine vyobrazenie, ktore som zatial videl je to od S. Dillbauma s vyobrazením obliehania opevnenia z r. 1593 a to skor pripomina pevnost ako nejake centrum panstva. Na druhej strane podobnych vodnych hradov na Slovensku niekolko stalo. Takze jasna odpoved asi nie je mozna.
Myslim si, ze aj ked by sme pripustili, ze to je hrad (v tom by nemusel byt az taky problem) stale to bude opevnenie, ktoreho uloha bola v prvom rade vojenska. Jan Jiskra nemal vo zvyku stavat nejake letohradky ci ine ...hradky. Obdobie a udalosti s nim spojene skor hovoria jednoznacne, ze islo hlavne o vojensky objekt teda pevnost, ktora mala kontrolovat Rimavsku Sobotu a okolie, cestu na Kosice, Lucenec, Zvolen a do dnesneho Madarska (Ozd, Miskolc...).

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#1037   2007-07-31 19:16 GMT+1 hour      
sakra ma to vyhodilo takze znova.
to Bibrax. ked sa pozres na to vyobrazenie tak jiskrove opevnenie je ta veza v strede lokality a pravdepodobne aj vnutorny pas hradieb(vyskum z.drenka z´69 je v zborniku SNM 1970 hist.10). toto opevnenie je naozaj pevnost. nemalo to nic s hosp. spravou nejakeho uzemia alebo nejakym pohodlnym sidlom slachty. to okolo je uz turecka praca. aj to jiskrovske jadro turci museli obnovovat, kedze skoro 100 rokov to bola ruina.
tak si teda trochu osvetlime turecku uzemnu spravu.
najmensou jedotkou bola náhija. ta bola predstavovana uzemim pridelenym k nejakemu hradu,pevnosti... z ktoreho bolo toto uzemie spravovane. na pridelenom uzemi sa vyberali štátne dane a zaroven sluzilo ako zdroj obzivy a prijmov pre spravcov nahije. ti ale pridelenu podu priamo nevlastnili. bolo to leno(cize uh. ekvivalent by bol lenne panstvo, sefovia boli nieco na urovni zemanov), ktore dostavali tur. dostojnici od svojho nadriadeneho bud za zasluhy, na zaklade rodinej prislusnosti, alebo za uplatok(oficialne dar). defakto si mohol tento clovek na uzemi robit co chcel, ak odvadzal dane/davky a dary svojmu nadriadenemu..
tym nadriadenym bol beg, ktory sefoval sandžaku. ten mal sudnu a vojensku pravomoc na svojom uzemi. jeho ulohou bolo organizovat vyber dani, obranu a udrziavat poriadok na svojom uzemi a chaos na uzemi protivnika. v uh.by begom najblizsie bola slachta, sadzak by bol (vacsie)hradne panstvo. nad tym vsetkym bola provincia-ejálet na cele s pašom(odtial aj pašalik) tomu podliehali prislusne sandzaky. pasa bol vrchny velitel provincnych vojsk, mohol vyhlasit aj velku operaciu proti nepriatelovi. mal okrem sudnickych aj statnicke pravomoci(mohol v mene osm.rise uzatvarat mier) na priamej sprave podriadeneho uzemia sa nepodielal... nieco na sposob kapitanatov alebo komitatov.
neviem ako vam ale mne takato sprava pripada dost stredoveko.
celkovo z toho vyplyva, ze sobotka plnila sidelnu(dlhodobe ubytovnie velitela a jeho posadky), sprava podriadeneho uzemia(vojenska aj hospodarska) aj vojensku(udrziavanie poriadku na svojom uzemi a chaosu na uzemi nepriatela), o opevneni sobotky neni pochyb. takze-hrad.

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